Bernie or Bluster: An Incredibly Frustrating Encounter with a Fellow Bernie Supporter

I want to start out this article with a kind of preface that I have never before in my political life felt the need to provide:

I support Bernie Sanders for President. I like Bernie. I voted for Bernie when the primaries rolled through Missouri. I even donated a whopping $20 to his campaign. I am attracted to his stance on campaign finance reform, history of front line Civil Rights activism, approach to affordable college education, and a populist tax plan that heavily favors the middle class.

However, and this is the part I feel uncomfortable having to justify, I also like Hillary. She is a shrewd, intelligent, and component politician, diplomat, and leader. She is not quite as ideologically aligned with me as Bernie, but she has the chops and know how to do the job. She is stronger on Gun Control than Bernie, which matters to me, has incomparably greater international experience, and also supports many of the same ideas that Bernie does (such as affordable college, tax reform, incentivizing state-side industry, environmental regulation to address Global Warming), albeit to differing degrees.

I like and support both of these candidates, I just happen to like Bernie more. Before Bernie announced, I was happily gearing up to support Clinton. Now that Bernie’s window of opportunity is rapidly closing, I am content to shift my stance back to Hillary with only a passing bit of disappointment. I feel Hillary has been pulled a few notches Left by her competition with Bernie, and I think Hillary is a strong candidate. So, while Bernie would have been ideal, I am confident with Hillary and certainly willing to go to the mattresses in support of her over her chief Republican rival.

That is the position I have held throughout this entire Primary. If Bernie is my 10, then Hillary is a 9. However, it seems that a lot of my fellow Bernie supporters do not feel the same way. A thick and noxious disdain for Hillary seems to have developed among some factions of Bernie supporters as the Primaries have carried on. These people do not just support Bernie, but speak about Hillary with the same tone, and using the same rhetoric, as you might a Trump, or a Cruz, or a blood-drunk warlord from a third world hell hole.

Where in the did this come from?

When this campaign started, prior to Bernie’s announcement, where were these people? Is it not true that if you scrub the Facebook and Twitter of many of these individuals you will find history of them liking and sharing pro-Hillary memes, or at the very least expressing indifference, in the early days before Bernie’s name started to crop up in the conversation? How did these people become so, dare I say it, radicalized? Did the very presence of a competition, the simple act of placing Hillary in an opposing position, ignite and stoke the natural urge to vilify the opponent, to transform a mere competitor into an outright enemy?

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Isn’t the fact that I, in a what should be a conversation between sane rational adults, feel the need to justify the notion of liking both competitors while still having a preference, rather telling? Why does that, seemingly reasonable idea, need defending? Why is it that the notion of supporting Bernie without hating Hillary so bizarre to some people? Least you think I am exaggerating, I would like to share a story with you.

I recently had a rather frustrating encounter with one of my fellow Bernie supporters, who we will call Tony, while I was attempting to probe into the meaning behind the slogan of “Bernie or Bust”. This phrase has been bandied about for weeks now, but I find it frustratingly vague. Bernie or Bust? What exactly is it that is meant by Bust? Read along with me as I attempt to find out:

Names have been changed for the sake of privacy, and the language as been edited slightly for grammar, spelling, and flow. You’ll just have to trust me that I have not misrepresented anything.

The conversation takes place in comments section of a meme stating “Bernie or Bust”:

Me: What does the “or Bust” mean?

I have been taking the “or bust” to mean “or I don’t vote”, is that not the case? Does the “or bust” mean “or the situation will be less than ideal, however I still clearly care about the differences between Trump and Hillary and would still vote.”

If the or Bust part means the former, then I oppose that idea. If it means the latter, then I am totally on board and am, myself, a Bernie or Bust person.

Tony: “Or Bust” means to get him in by any means necessary. If we have to march at the convention, so be it.

Me: Ok, but obviously that’s not a real answer. You can’t just make him President by force of will, you being there marching might make a difference, might not. Bernie or Bust cannot possible mean “Bernie or try harder and get Bernie anyway”

So, what I am asking you is, if you and other supporters try your very hardest, but Bernie does not win the nomination, for yourself at least, what then?

Tony: Do you really not know what “or bust” means? Well if Hillary is not arrested by then, or Bernie loses California by some voter suppression, then we will worry about it then but I can tell you who will not be getting our vote if she happens to survive the next few weeks and it’s your fav woman of all time Hitlerey. You seem to be a fan. Tell me why she should get my vote?  (Note: I thought this was just a type-o during this conversation, only know when writing this do I realize me was making a Hitler pun. Comparing her to Hitler? Really?)

Me: I dunno why you are saying that. I voted for Bernie, I donated to his campaign. I prefer Bernie, I just don’t hate Hillary, and if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination then I will obviously vote for the Hill.

And, I have no idea how you keep spending all of these words and not actually answering my question. It’s very simple. If Bernie does not make it, and the candidates are Trump and Hillary. Will you vote Trump, will you vote Hillary, or will you not vote?

Please, just stop beating around the bush. Or Feel free to explain if there is some other option I have not considered.

Tony: I’ve answered your question twice.

Me: Then please repeat it because I must have missed it. If Bernie doesn’t make it, who will you vote for, or will you not vote?

Tony: I can’t vote for Hillary or trump. “Or bust” means by any means necessary like protesting at the convention.

Now tell me why Hillary should get my vote.

Me: Ok, so you would not vote? Assuming that he does not win, by whatever means you try? Ok, that answers my question. Jesus man, was that so hard?

And, to answer your question, Hillary should get your vote for about 90% of the same reason Bernie should, since they are aligned, or very close to aligned, on most issues. If the 10% of issues where they differ matter so much to you that you cannot in good conscious cast a vote for her regardless of who the GOP candidate is, then by all means, stay home.

Tony: Do you think Bernie doesn’t stand a chance right now? Do you think Hillary is more of a democrat than Bernie?

Me: I didn’t say either of those things. I think Bernie still stands a chance, but it’s a slim one. And I don’t think Hillary is more of a Democrat than Bernie, I prefer Bernie, I voted for Bernie. I want Bernie to win.

Tony: If you are a Bernie supporter I would hate to see what a Bernie hater would say? Lol u don’t have to pretend you support Bernie over her. Are you talking to yourself? I honestly figured you knew what “or bust” meant. But this all makes sense cuz you are a fan of hers too.

You are the first person I’ve talked to that has said you like Bernie over Hillary and you will most certainly vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn’t win. You can live with yourself knowing you voted for that person?

Me: Why is this nuance just so mind blowing? I like Hillary and Bernie, but I like Bernie more. I want Bernie to win, but if he doesn’t I am content with Hillary. My support for Bernie does not manifest itself as hate for Hillary.

That should be normal. That is sane. That is wise. Just because two people are in a contest I don’t have to hate the other side, especially when the contest is between allies competing for the best representation against the actual opponent.

And no, I am still not actually clear on what “or bust” means because it’s like pulling teeth to get a Bernie or Bust person to simply say in basic language what they will actually do if Bernie does not make it onto the ticket. Look, it took me multiple exchanges just the get you to say that you wouldn’t vote for either of the other two candidates, and even then you still insisted that “or bust” meant getting him onto the ticket by whatever means necessary.

Which of course is not a real answer. I asked you, “What will you do if Bernie does not win” and your repeated answer is “Do whatever it takes to make him win.”…No…no, that is not an answer to the question. It’s like you cannot even conceptualize, within your answer, the notion of him not winning. That is quite frustrating.

Tony: Well then I’ll write him in on the general ballot: but no way in hell she has earned my vote!

There was a bit more too it than that, talking about specific policy points between the different candidates, but that’s not really the point of this article.

This particular person may not have been the most measured or reasonable representation of the Bernie or Bust confederation, but to be honest, I haven’t had much more luck when speaking to others. “Tony” here just happened to be emblematic of problems I have encountered in several conversations over the last few weeks. This particular branch of especially…verbose…Bernie supports seem to think that everything is a conspiracy, part of the system keeping the people’s hero down. From the media coverage to the way votes are counted to very mechanics of the convention and primary process. In addition, Hillary has been made out to be the Great Satan, more or less. As you can see in the conversation above, she is considered equal to Trump, which is a silly thing to say, an even as bad at Hitler, which is an incompetent thing to say. Also, again as you can see in the conversation above, for these Bernie or Bust folks, it is almost impossible to even verbalized the possibility that he will lose.

But why is that? Why is it that for these people pivoting from Bernie towards the support of the Candidate that is clearly, almost as a mathematical certainty, the better candidate for this country than GOP nominee, is akin to drinking poison. While for me, repositioning to back Hillary is not only easy, but doesn’t compromise my integrity in the slightest?

I think the answer is, at least for many of them, that in their fervor to support and elevate their preferred candidate, they resorted to vilifying the competition. It was not enough to Bernie to merely be a great candidate and a superior option to Hillary, but Hillary had to be the devil as well. The could not be simply not as good, she had to be made to be bad. And of course the only way that Good could be losing to Evil is if the deck is stacked against Good, making him the underdog. Once you’ve committed yourself, loudly and proudly and publicly, to Hillary being the devil, it is difficult to pull yourself over to her side, to bridge the gap between being so strongly opposed, to eventual support.

And what do you get when you mix a belief that your side is the hero, the other side is the villain, the rest of the world is conspiring against you, and the idea that you might ultimately loose is taboo to even give voice too…? I am saddened to say it, but what we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is reckless, reactionary, radicalism.

I want to be clear that I am not talking about radicalism in the extreme and violent sense, but radicalism none the less. Elevating and amplifying normal commonplace differences to the point of being utterly irreconcilable is the core of radicalism. Why would you do that? What does that accomplish? Besides hamstringing your political options and beating up on a perfectly fine and viable candidate preceding an important election.

Humans seem hard wired to do it, when the stakes are high. To make the opposition something bad, evil, unacceptable. Once you do that, truly nasty behavior just gets easier and easier, and the threshold for what is acceptable to say to do just keeps getting pushed back farther. And all of this, this lambasting and vilifying Hillary in the name of propping up Bernie, all looses sight of the real battle. The real fight is not the primary. The primary is when allies come together to choose their champion for the real fight. The real fight is yet to come, and I’d rather not see the supporters of one of our champions breaking the other champion’s knees.

And it is not hard to do, really. I have spent months arguing passionately in support of Bernie and all of the good reasons he needs to be our next President, all without saying a bad word about Hillary. I don’t need to make her into a Boogeyman, Bernie shines bright enough on his own. Just let him. Use a little strategy, moderation, and wisdom please, that is not too much to ask for. We are Liberals, we are Progressives, we are Democrats. Radicalism and hate is, we like to think, the fodder of the other side, the bread and butter of the Conservatives. A disservice is done to us all when we engage in that behavior amongst ourselves.

Please stop.


7 thoughts on “Bernie or Bluster: An Incredibly Frustrating Encounter with a Fellow Bernie Supporter

  1. Perhaps part of the problem is that discussing emotionally charged topics with strangers on the Internet (politics, religion, sex) is a behavior that comes with built-in risks. Should we really expect to achieve meaningful understanding with people we can’t see, can’t read the body language of, can’t hear the vocal tone for cues etc.? What if he was tired, or drunk, or distracted by other problems and not paying much attention to you?

    Pardon me if I misunderstood, and “Tony” is a person known to you (besides online).

    • No, you read it properly, I do not know “Tony” beyond this interaction. And the point you make is a good one, that being the larger questions of how to we reach a healthy and productive new normal of communication when most of it is now done remotely behind avatars with people we will almost certainly never actually meet. That is a great topic, one I have written on in the past and probably will in the future.

      I just want to let you know though, that I did not have this single interaction with “Tony” and then come on here to rant in an uninformed manner about Bernie or Busters. This interaction with Tony seemed to perfectly encapsulate problems I have had in many conversations over the past few weeks with people of a similar position. Poor Tony here just happened to be emblematic of a large pool of accrued annoyances, so he became my emblem.

  2. I think I agree with every point you have made here. I too am shaking my head over this “Bernie or Bust” idea. Are they such fanatics that they would rather let a clown win the election than vote for Hillary? I like a lot of what Bernie has to say. I’m really glad he’s running, because he’s raised important issues that needed to be talked about. But if Hillary is the nominee, then I’m voting for HIllary, and I really don’t understand how someone who believes in the principles Bernie stands for could let Drumpf anywhere near political office.

  3. A write-in vote? Well I expect that is only a smidgen better than not voting, or voting directly for Trump. I’m also with you 100% – yes, I prefer Sanders but it is the same as when Clinton last ran and I preferred Obama. I didn’t hate her then, and don’t now! I’d be proud to call her my President.
    And really, a chicken with a tic-tac-toe board would be a better president than Trump.

  4. How can a rational person possibly feel hillary is better than trump? She is a supporter of the new american century i.e. a neocon. By supporing illegal wars in lybia, iraq, and syria she has shown herself to be a war ciminal and helped the advancement of ISIS. Is trump a war cirminal? How can any progressive possibly support this neo-con? Do you truly want to vote in a woman that will burn persia to the ground?

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